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Post by ryanbartlett on Aug 9, 2015 21:50:00 GMT -5
I know the story you're talking about, with the large inheritance, and I think the thing to remember when writing wealthy characters is to stick to realism. Having money doesn't make your life a fairytale. Money comes with challenges of its own, not bigger or worse then anyone elses problems, just unique. In my work I've known a lot of wealthy people who I've found to be kind, humble and generous. I think we tend to stereotype wealthy people just like any other group but the vast majority of them I've met aren't stupid spoiled whores like the Hilton's or Kardashians, or dicks who treat people like shit and throw their money around as though it makes them special.
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Post by PaulR5 on Aug 10, 2015 2:04:21 GMT -5
I know the story you're talking about, with the large inheritance, and I think the thing to remember when writing wealthy characters is to stick to realism. Having money doesn't make your life a fairytale. Money comes with challenges of its own, not bigger or worse then anyone elses problems, just unique. In my work I've known a lot of wealthy people who I've found to be kind, humble and generous. I think we tend to stereotype wealthy people just like any other group but the vast majority of them I've met aren't stupid spoiled whores like the Hilton's or Kardashians, or dicks who treat people like shit and throw their money around as though it makes them special. Ryan, you're right. I have known poor, rich, and in-between. Something bothered me when I read Linc. Here's the quote, then I'll explain what bothered me, then I'll ask my question. “Then you need to get a few things through your head. First, what’s mine is yours so I don’t want to hear any more of this ‘your money’ crap.” “But…” “Second, when it comes to our family and providing a home and security for our child, money is no object.” “Ok.” I sniffled, holding back my tears. I’d never felt more loved by Kale then I did in that moment. “You haven’t asked me about my family’s finances since we were twelve but we’re going to be married now and you should know. When my great grandparents passed away they made arrangements for all of us, me, Robbie, Jamie, my parents, all of us. You and I are fortunate, of all the problems we may face in our life together, money won’t be one of them,” said Kale....
What bothers me in that-- What about Sean? He was not known about by Great-Grandpa Kirkwood. Was there a provision for unforeseen heirs? In the quote above, it was not needed to explain that particular question, since the conversation was about Kale and Chase being able to provide for Linc. But minds that inquire want to know....
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Post by Dabeagle on Aug 10, 2015 9:26:46 GMT -5
I think it is safe to say that, while the Grandparents did not know of him, the elder Kirkwood's will see to it that he is as well taken care of as their other children, when the time comes - to the best of their ability. I dare say, if need be, his brothers will contribute because that's the kind of people they are - the siblings we all wish we might have had.
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Post by ryanbartlett on Aug 10, 2015 12:41:35 GMT -5
I know the story you're talking about, with the large inheritance, and I think the thing to remember when writing wealthy characters is to stick to realism. Having money doesn't make your life a fairytale. Money comes with challenges of its own, not bigger or worse then anyone elses problems, just unique. In my work I've known a lot of wealthy people who I've found to be kind, humble and generous. I think we tend to stereotype wealthy people just like any other group but the vast majority of them I've met aren't stupid spoiled whores like the Hilton's or Kardashians, or dicks who treat people like shit and throw their money around as though it makes them special. Ryan, you're right. I have known poor, rich, and in-between. Something bothered me when I read Linc. Here's the quote, then I'll explain what bothered me, then I'll ask my question. “Then you need to get a few things through your head. First, what’s mine is yours so I don’t want to hear any more of this ‘your money’ crap.” “But…” “Second, when it comes to our family and providing a home and security for our child, money is no object.” “Ok.” I sniffled, holding back my tears. I’d never felt more loved by Kale then I did in that moment. “You haven’t asked me about my family’s finances since we were twelve but we’re going to be married now and you should know. When my great grandparents passed away they made arrangements for all of us, me, Robbie, Jamie, my parents, all of us. You and I are fortunate, of all the problems we may face in our life together, money won’t be one of them,” said Kale....
What bothers me in that-- What about Sean? He was not known about by Great-Grandpa Kirkwood. Was there a provision for unforeseen heirs? In the quote above, it was not needed to explain that particular question, since the conversation was about Kale and Chase being able to provide for Linc. But minds that inquire want to know.... A provision for unknown heirs would be a bit insulting don't you think? It would be like saying, "In case any one screws around, here's some money for any potential bastard..." Sounds harsh but I think that's how a provision like that would be felt. I imagine at some point after Sean settled in there was a family meeting (off screen) in which this was addressed where each of the boy's agreed to contribute a portion of their trust so that Sean would have an equal share. As legal guardian Andrew could have forced this on Robin and Jamie since they are minors but knowing him he would have asked them first because he trusts their character, despite their flaws they make good decisions when it comes to their loved ones. Depending on when this meeting took place Andrew might not have asked Kale considering he has a family to support but once he found out about it Kale would have contributed too. Family is VERY important to him. The Kirkwood's aren't mega rich by any means, no one's going to be getting a Ferrari or anything like that, but there is enough to go around so that each of them is comfortable. In addition to the boy's trusts there is a family trust that as an attorney/judge, Andrew manages for the family, including his parents who, despite not being mentioned directly since Broken Hearted, are still alive. The boys will be entitled to a portion of those funds when their grandparents and parents pass, many years from now. I've tried to establish the Kirkwood's as an old money family as far as the town of Sanitaria Springs is concerned (Doesn't every small town have a family like that?), they've stayed that way through careful and conservative investment through the generations. Eventually Kale will probably become head of the family trust sometime in his 40's.
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Post by PaulR5 on Aug 11, 2015 8:22:16 GMT -5
Ryan and Dave, What you describe is what I would expect from the Kirkwoods, from the revelation of their characters so far. This confirms my opinion of how good and fair the characters normally are.
There might have been a provision for unplanned heirs, however, if Andrew and Evelyn or any other Kirkwood relatives covered by the overall trust plan might not have been done having kids. Does Andrew have any siblings?
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Post by Dabeagle on Aug 11, 2015 9:41:00 GMT -5
Oh, I see what you mean - if kids were born after the trusts were established. I have to admit, my mind went where Ryan's did - kids out of wedlock and that sort of thing.
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Post by ryanbartlett on Aug 11, 2015 10:17:31 GMT -5
Andrew doesn't have any siblings but Evelyn has a brother and sister who both live out of state which is why they've never been mentioned. The family doesn't see them much and the boys don't really know them well.
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