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Post by Neal on May 15, 2023 2:15:15 GMT -5
I was going to use this quote in another post elsewhere but got to thinking about it too much. "This Too Shall Pass"Believed to have originated by an ancient Persian Poet. An early English citation of "this too shall pass" appears in 1848 and became "And this, too, shall pass away." It was also used in 1852, in a retelling of the Persian fable and became "This too will pass away." On September 30, 1859, Abraham Lincoln recounted a similar story and used "And this, too, shall pass away." In the 1990's it was commercialized and expand to explain it to the masses. And finally, recently it was commercialized to reflect current reality to the masses. Sources; Wikipedia. for scholarly types fond of trivia. Google, where it is available for sale in various formats for tchotchke seekers and pseudo intellectuals
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Post by Neal on Aug 21, 2023 3:47:21 GMT -5
I got to thinking about this screen capture too much too. In a lot of stories I've read with a coming out/being outed scene, usually with high school age characters, there is very often a statement to the effect "more girls for me/you". It is usually perceived by me as a method to diffuse tensions between friends or acquaintances. At any rate it is almost a cliché to me now. So, when I saw this, it got my attention both for the guy supposedly speaking and the expansion of the cliché. Why does one character have to give another character a reason to accept the gay character's orientation? Am I over thinking this too?
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Post by Dabeagle on Aug 22, 2023 16:40:29 GMT -5
I'm going to say what would cause some bother is that, rather than simply accepting that there are people who aren't copies of your sexuality, you need a reason to accept them. As if it's a competition to 'collect' girls'. I think this goes into the category of why some things from our past are now viewed in a modern context and admitting there may be issues with them. For instance the song 'Baby, It's Cold Outside' was brought up a few years ago about the fellow just not accepting no for an answer. I think that's a valid interpretation, but it can also be a person being persistent with the pursued being coy. I see both sides of that one. That may be because someone not exactly saying no is often interpreted as implying they don't mind, which has been reinforced through stories, movies and songs. Consent seems to be a volatile concept for some. I liken the post you shared as similar to when people talk about animals. I knew a guy that wore a fur coat and when I expressed misgivings about killing something for warmth when there are alternatives, he scoffed and insinuated his comfort was worth them dying because they couldn't be doing anything better. Like an animals life is measured by how useful it is to human beings.
Not hating gay people because you think they improve your odds in the dating pool says a whole lot more about people than they think.
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Post by mattyboy on Aug 24, 2023 16:00:58 GMT -5
Why does one character have to give another character a reason to accept the gay character's orientation? Am I over thinking this too? View AttachmentI agree it's an overused cliché. (That - and the perky loudmouth female friend who's really excited but doesn't perceive any risk - can't decline fast enough). But it does position the character as "I'm ok, but I'm not coming with." And it's a coming-out-straight signal. Coming out is often an emotional moment. I have a middle-aged, very professional acquaintance who's pointed out that he still needs to come out regularly. He's pretty good at it now because he's done it a lot, but every business/social/sports encounter at which comes out to someone new, it's the same old deal of wondering how they'll react. So, yes, I agree ugh, cliché, but also, coming out isn't like I'll-have-the-chicken, or even, I'm-changing-my-major, so there is a demand on the person being told to have a reaction and express approval (or rejection). And the "more for me" reaction doesn't demand any answer from the other person, so in that way maybe it's more polite than any demanding when/why questions. So, sure, you're overthinking that jpeg, but I certainly agree that line is kind of an iceberg, with a lot under the surface.
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Post by Neal on Aug 27, 2023 0:02:40 GMT -5
Oooh! Interesting perspective change.
"But it does position the character as "I'm ok, but I'm not coming with." And it's a coming-out-straight signal."
What about the person receiving the, coming out, I'm gay message? Since, in stories, we are focused on the gay character and his/her stress, discomfort at making the revelation. What about the person receiving the message, in stories and real life.
Dave's story "Candy & Kisses" did a great job of dealing with receiving the "out" message in an established group of close friends. For whatever reason the gay story character or gay person in real life has for making the statement, the person receiving the statement has perceptions/feelings too.
Maybe, in my head, I was hearing a smug attitude in the guy in the jpg. Real life presents signals about people and situations that written words don't always convey. Body language, voice levels, intonations, situation, etc. are missing or miss interpreted by readers.
I think it still sucks that people have to come out to other people in real life. But I like your take on the response.
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Post by Neal on Jan 7, 2024 5:36:53 GMT -5
I didn't know such things existed!10 year old Handpan Prodigy - Sunnisessionz plays his own composition 'Delusion'
Here is a link to this page. Check out his "Tunnel" video! I'm interested if any of you found the sound relaxing. I thought the sound was interesting. I was disappointed to find out "Handpan" is a relatively new instrument, not some ancient ethnic/tribal thing. Oh! I'm also very impressed with the boys talent.
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Post by Neal on Jan 14, 2024 4:50:18 GMT -5
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Post by glh on Jan 14, 2024 15:40:44 GMT -5
So yeah, I guess that holds true if you're a person of eloquence. Me, I can write well, I just don't know how to put what I'm thinking into words. It comes out more like word salad from hell. Just sayin'...
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Post by Dabeagle on Jan 14, 2024 21:08:46 GMT -5
So yeah, I guess that holds true if you're a person of eloquence. Me, I can write well, I just don't know how to put what I'm thinking into words. It comes out more like word salad from hell. Just sayin'... Otherwise known as a first draft.
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Post by glh on Jan 17, 2024 15:05:49 GMT -5
LOL. No first draft in the spoken word. When I inscribe something to posterity, such as posts to forums, Faceplant and the like, the final product is usually one that has been edited many times. Unfortunately, and especially since the COVID lockdowns, NOTHING spoken comes out right. To take a little creative liberty with an old adage: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and stuff it up to the point of removing all doubt."
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Post by dgt224 on Jan 18, 2024 2:23:49 GMT -5
LOL. No first draft in the spoken word. ... Au contraire, mon ami! The problem is that with the spoken word, the first draft is what everyone hears. (Which is one of the reasons my smart phone is used for web browsing, text messages, and Google Maps, and hardly ever for transmission of the spoken word. Not the only reason, but the most important one.) The revisions generally don't make it outside my head, but they do exist. Often for quite some time after the event. Or perhaps that's just me.
You did read that first bit in the voice of John de Lancie, I hope! (Q on Star Trek the Next Generation)
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Post by Neal on Jan 19, 2024 4:04:50 GMT -5
LOL. No first draft in the spoken word. ... Au contraire, mon ami! The problem is that with the spoken word, the first draft is what everyone hears. (Which is one of the reasons my smart phone is used for web browsing, text messages, and Google Maps, and hardly ever for transmission of the spoken word. Not the only reason, but the most important one.) The revisions generally don't make it outside my head, but they do exist. Often for quite some time after the event. Or perhaps that's just me.
You did read that first bit in the voice of John de Lancie, I hope! (Q on Star Trek the Next Generation)
It's not just you! I'm still having the woulda, coulda, shoulda conversations in my head. Like how the conversation with the cop that jumped out of the bushes and gave me a ticket for 20 in 15 in a school zone, when I had been at dead stop at the crosswalk 100 feet in front of the bushes, back in 2013! But the voice in my head sounds more like Mr. Spock.
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Post by Neal on Jan 21, 2024 22:50:29 GMT -5
IRONY
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Post by Neal on Feb 18, 2024 6:00:55 GMT -5
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