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Post by Israfil on Nov 2, 2015 13:16:05 GMT -5
Wanted to share this article as an example of how the system can just go awry. Whatever the parents issues may be (though I'm on the mothers team in this case) and even though this particular piece is an editorial, the judge was ridiculously out of line and biased. Considering incorporating some aspects into a story I'm working on. Apparently there's also a great deal of background available. This just made an impression. -fixed the link! |
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Post by Lugnutz on Nov 2, 2015 13:58:13 GMT -5
Need to change the link. It leads you right back to this thread.
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Post by Israfil on Nov 2, 2015 14:09:47 GMT -5
Thanks sorry about that!
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Post by Dabeagle on Nov 2, 2015 16:33:02 GMT -5
I had a discussion about this on Facebook several months ago. Someone I went to school with, who is now a lawyer...well, he didn't exactly counsel caution, but he did make some points that were both legal and part of his legal narrative. Firstly, we don't know all the facts. While, on it's face, I agree completely that the judge is a moron and has no business telling someone's children what kind of parent they have, I also have questions about the mother and the 'cult-like' grip she has.
The oldest kid says he saw his mother get abused. The father thinks or claims he was coached. In nasty divorces, kids will sometimes hold out because they want something from a parent. In this case, it seems like the kids just want him to go away. For the judge to separate the kids and refuse to allow the mother or her relatives to visit is bizarre - but normally, we wouldn't know the 'why's' that would have come through the County Dept. of Social Services. For instance, I've had a few foster kids whose parents shouldn't be allowed to parent inanimate objects, let alone children.
My lawyer friend also states the supreme court ruled that parents have a right to, well, parent. As I pointed out him at the time, when he said something like 'it's a judges order, you follow them. If the judge tells me to sit my ass down, I sit my ass down.' As I pointed out to him, though, these are kids and not adults and they don't have the legal foundation that he does. He counters that they will learn to respect judges from her order - I think they'll learn to distrust them, especially if the kids are right.
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Post by Dabeagle on Nov 2, 2015 16:43:54 GMT -5
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Post by Israfil on Nov 2, 2015 18:52:31 GMT -5
Thing is, it's not even like the kid was being particularly rude. She just flew off the handle - yes he wasn't complying but that was an insane reaction. While the quotes aren't exactly in context of the whole six year issue, she sounds more than a little unstable. My initial reaction (which was totally me bringing my own experiences to bear) was that she sounded almost even ticked at his mature response and respect (again, after some thought I decided I was projecting but that has been the case between me and other authority figures - when they realize you're sounding more reasonable than they are they can...lash out).
Also - it seems neither the mum or the dad will win parent of the year award. After winning the court battle, it seems the fathers first response was to fly off to Israel while the state took care of his kids. Such actions imply winning the argument with the mother was more the priority than winning custody of the kids.
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Post by Israfil on Nov 2, 2015 19:00:28 GMT -5
Just read the extra info you posted - thanks. The mother has issues obviously but what disturbs me is the court seeming to almost villainize the children for their attitude towards their father. Yes the kids are acting a bit odd but it reads as if the officials are more weirded out than anything else by the kids' potential communication and it colors how they treat them. Also - referencing Manson in regards to scared children? Really? Hardly a shining example of professionalism on behalf of that Lansat fellow, and later the judge.
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Post by PaulR5 on Nov 4, 2015 8:15:15 GMT -5
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Post by Dabeagle on Nov 4, 2015 9:00:17 GMT -5
It's hard to know who to believe, but the judge's statement about her having formed an opinion didn't constitute bias might be legally okay, but logically dubious. She seems clearly biased in favor of the father - who might be an all right guy, if the things the guardian ad litem said were true.
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